Kyley and Eva respond to the results of the U.S. election (only 30 mins after Kyley woke up to the news) and process how to move forward, for now
Kyley and Eva respond to the results of the U.S. election (only 30 mins after Kyley woke up to the news) and process how to move forward, for now
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Eva: [00:00:00] Friends. Kylie. Kylie. Kylie. It is 7 a. m. the morning of the election results. Kylie and I have a lot of feelings. We don't even know where to start. We haven't decided if this is going to be the episode about the fucking election results, but it would be amiss not to discuss it. We had a whole other conversation planned, but we can't at least not mention it because fuuuuuck.
Kyley: You dear listeners know more about what this episode will be about than us because you got to see the show [00:01:00] title.
Eva: Yeah.
Kyley: And we're going in to be like, are we going to talk about the election for five minutes and then pivot to our original discussion? Or are we just locked in to, uh, to a topic we'd already, we'd already flagged that we wanted, you know, knew we wanted to have a politics conversation regardless of the outcome. And, um, because Eva's in Taiwan and the time zone means that for listeners, we record either at like, You know, 8. 30 at night or like 6. 30 in the morning, so I am like, I went to bed last night and I was like, okay, like, I don't, I don't need this, the like, nonsense banter until we have real information, uh, I'm just going to go to bed and, uh, when I wake up, there will be more information.
Kyley: And I woke up at five in the morning and was like, oh, well, there's an answer for me somewhere. And I rushed over to bed.
Eva: Yeah. Made the mistake. I wouldn't [00:02:00] even say made the mistake. I mean, how can you not check? You know, like, I get it, but I'm like, part of me is like, why did you check? Why didn't you go back to bed?
Kyley: I was like, I wouldn't have been able to go to bed back to bed, right? It was like, well, I wouldn't be able to go back to bed either way. Um, but then I definitely couldn't go back to bed.
Eva: So then I had the inverse experience. I thought I had dodged a fucking bullet being here in Taiwan. That I had like gone to sleep the day of the election, I was going to wake up with results, and I was like, good, I'm not gonna have to do the whole, like, refresh song and dance. I was wrong. I,
Kyley: opposite.
Eva: am the opposite.
Eva: I woke up, I forgot. Anyway, whatever, just dumb miscalculations. And then I woke up the day of the, like, uh, you know, the day, like today, and My whole day has just been a complete wash. It has been, first of all, also let me name, I'm about to get my period. It's like the day before my period. I just know because every time this, I, I'm about to start my bleed, I am just so tired and so emotional and all I want to do is just like rest [00:03:00] and my brain is slow.
Eva: So it's like all of that. I've eaten basically a whole roll of cake and a bag of Doritos. It was just like stress and like despair and doom scrolling, even though I didn't want to be doom scrolling. It was very compulsive and not, but also all was fair game and there was no judgment about it. It was just like, you know what?
Eva: Like,
Kyley: this is what I have. This is the only thing I have access to
Eva: yeah, yeah. There was no like, Oh, I should be doing this better. It was like, this is like, you know, uh, intense and scary situation. So all bets are off. And Yeah, by the time the election results came in, I mean, you know, they were calling it pretty, before even all the swing states were called, they're like, yep, you know, Trump's, there wasn't even a hope for me anymore.
Eva: I held on to optimism for a little bit, but you know, I had the process of seeing it all unfold and for a while I held on to optimism. I went to bed [00:04:00] very hopeful, like very hopeful.
Kyley: I mean, so did I
Eva: Yeah, and so I have thoughts about that too.
Kyley: Yes. Yeah, not with the, like when 2016, I was, I feel like I, there was like a naive, like a naive delusion to my optimism, right? Like in 2016 I was like. Oh, well, of course, right? Of course, of course, this felt like the, like, older, wiser me who, like, had a deeper understanding of just how fucked up and, uh, racist and angry America actually is, but also still thought we'd, like, you know, evolved.
Eva: Yes. And so there was this hopefulness, but then it just like went out the door pretty quickly. And I really came to a place of like, acceptance, actually, of being like, Yep. All right.
Eva: This is it. And I think that's the one conversation I want to have with you next time when after we've had some time to process because I really, my relationship with politics has just [00:05:00] is changing radically. And I'm actually very confused. I'm in very, very, very new territory. I'm having a kind of existential crisis with politics.
Eva: which previously I thought maybe was like a bad thing because I was like, I don't know who I am. I've always been this like Democrat and blah, blah, blah. And now I'm kind of just like, fuck this whole, like, fuck it all, which I've also also had. But I mean, really fuck it all as in like, like, fuck, I don't even like, like, just I can't, I can't even with the whole system.
Eva: Like, I just cannot. It is like, so not the way it is not the fucking way. And, and in a way I'm like, well, maybe. Maybe this is good. Like, instead of feeling like confused, it might be solidifying something that I'm actually feeling that is also very infused with my spiritual beliefs, which is also really scary because I think a lot of it for me has to do around fear, how I'm going to be perceived [00:06:00] because politics is so divisive and so sticky for so many people that it is really one area where people get like canceled, like really fucking canceled.
Eva: And I'm. . Yeah. I have like fear around that. And so anyway, that's just the, that's just the preamble to I think, a bigger conversation that we can have.
Kyley: Well, and I think that dovetails to with the kind of one thing that I could feel that kind of surprised me with how I felt this morning. So I could, I hear you, right. There's this, like, I've also had a, like, shifting awareness and I, when we will do I think we're settling on. This is our mini brief processing of politics.
Kyley: We'll do a proper episode when I've had perhaps more than 90 minutes
Eva: Yeah. When you've had
Kyley: metabolize the result.
Eva: to digest your coffee too.
Kyley: But, um, but I, I also have had like a really big identity shift about my relationship to politics and an understanding, like, I think there's [00:07:00] this question of like, how does one, like, yes, I hear the question, like, how do you engage with. What is increasingly obvious as like fucked up and flawed and broken while doing so from a place of like integrity to an integrity and like honoring value or values of like love that changes the way people experience the world. Um, not the like bypassing shit, right? That's like, well, it might privilege.
Kyley: I don't have to deal with it. Um, the other thing that's the thing that I've surprised me this morning was I expected to feel like a lot of despair quickly. And again, we're 90 minutes in, so the day is fresh. But I expected to kind of wake up and just be hit hit with this like soul crushing feeling of like hopelessness and despair.
Kyley: And like, [00:08:00] instead, what I can feel almost immediately responding to is like, Okay, great. We have shit to do.
Eva: Mm-Hmm.
Kyley: But not from the place of like, um, uh, Wailing our little sticks against an inherently broken system, right? But like, okay, we have work to do. Like, each of us has sacred work. And Mike. Some part of somewhere, somewhere inside of you, you know what your sacred work is, which is not necessarily work you're getting quote unquote paid for, right?
Kyley: But like the way of you being in the world. Anyway, there's this feeling that's been rumbling for a little while. And I kind of thought that this, I kind of thought that a Trump reelection would knock this sideways, but it's actually like reinforcing this feeling of we have shit to do and we can't fuck around with.
Kyley: a system that's set up to inherently make us [00:09:00] feel powerless and is actively, like, sucking our, like, life force and power away from us. Like, we owe it to each other and ourselves to stand in the place of, uh, yeah, doing our sacred work, whatever that actually ends up being. Which is, that's,
Kyley: there's no, then that,
Eva: and, to clarify, you don't necessarily mean, well, I was gonna say you don't necessarily mean political work, but, and then at the same time, also sacred work I think actually is political, like in some very
Kyley: Mm hmm. Mm
Eva: Yeah. Connected ways.
Kyley: Okay. Mm hmm. Mm hmm.
Eva: But I do want to follow up with what you said, Kylie, is I love your point about not feeling despairing, because I think that's what I was feeling that I didn't have words for when I felt this acceptance. It was like, okay.
Eva: And also like, that is just not where my power is. Like my power. is not, I don't feel it's complicated because I feel like we've lost some really crucial things, you know, like,[00:10:00]
Kyley: Yeah, yeah, like, I'm looking at my little girl who is like now gonna grow up in a country that has fewer access. Oh, I'm gonna cry.
Eva: yeah, that's what I thought when I saw Birdie this morning too. And I was like, well, yeah,
Kyley: Like the stakes are real. We're not, this is not a conversation where we're pretending that like the stakes are not real. And,
Eva: yeah,
Kyley: you.
Eva: The stakes are high, but I don't feel like my power has been stripped away because I just know that's not where my power is. Do you know what I mean? Like policies are changing and that's a very scary feeling, but I cannot, and I do not actually feel weakened. You know what I mean? Like that by the fact that like, that I can't.
Eva: continue to make a difference in this world doing what I guess what you're saying is my version of what my sacred work is. And everyone has their own plot of the garden that we tend to, you know, and it doesn't mean that I don't show up politically in ways when I think it's [00:11:00] important, but it's also just not like, um, yeah, it's not, I think I'm like, so cautious of being like, but I'm not saying like, like, you know, you bypass like, I feel like I need to defend myself.
Eva: Yeah. But it's not about bypassing. It's about like being like really showing up where I can show up. I think it's just
Kyley: Yeah, yeah, and there's, I think, and this is why we will come back and parse this exact thing, because I think there's nuance to figuring out where that, like, where that line
Kyley: is, and what the actual ask is, and what it means to stand in integrity, uh, so that we can hold ourselves accountable to, am I being an integrity to, like, building the kind of world and embodying the kind of change that I want to see, or am I, like, Riding on privilege or gaslighting, or am I getting sucked into a system that is designed to create powerlessness and despair, right?
Kyley: Which is where I also feel like a little surprised, again, it could change, [00:12:00] but that in this moment I actually have a lot, like a, kind of a lot of clarity, like a clarity that's forming inside of me around this acceptance and power piece. Um, because that also actually feels like an antidote. The shit is set up to make us feel like we don't have power to change things.
Eva: Yeah.
Kyley: It's meant to make us feel despair. The system itself, right, perpetuates cycles of despair and anger and powerlessness. And, um, you can't force yourself to feel other.
Eva: Yeah. And I think, so I will probably come to that conversation honestly with like a lot more questions than answers because I think, like I said, I'm going through an existential crisis of like, I don't know. I don't actually know that when I choose to not participate, it'll say I choose not to participate in some way as that.
Eva: I don't know if that's bypassing or if that's actually me standing in [00:13:00] my power. Like sometimes like it's, I'm actually not clear. And it's because it's not embodied yet because this is new for me. I can tell I'm not like checking in with myself and asking myself and acting from a place of like, I'm like, sureness from within, it's like, wait, what does the right thing look like?
Eva: And that's always from this like, outside optics perspective, right? It's like, what, it's like, I'm trying to figure out what the right thing is to do, and then I'm trying to match that. It's, but rather, you know, like, rather than being like, that feels very outward, rather than being like, and because what I decide to do, like, might, I don't, I don't know, I don't even know exactly what, I don't have any specifics in what, you know, to say.
Eva: I take some totally different perspective. I feel like, I think what I'm afraid of is what I choose to do is going to be so offensive to people. But the truth is, it's going to be offensive to somebody no matter the fuck what. But,
Kyley: Yeah. Offending people is, uh, we don't get to opt out of that if [00:14:00] you're in any way, shape, or form even side eyeing American politics.
Eva: just, and that's democracy too, though. Because it's like, it's just so fascinating to me, because just like reading the fucking comments, which I do not recommend, but reading the comments on some of these posts, it's just like, It's such an interesting thing because people will come in with all sorts of different perspectives, some of which I think are just fucking bananas.
Eva: And then I'm also like, But it really is all allowed. And there's something actually kind of beautiful about that. That like, you can have one person, you can have like 30 people read the same fucking post and 30 different reactions. And I don't actually think that I can say that anything's wrong. I can say I don't agree with it, but I don't know if I can say that it's wrong.
Eva: And that is the truth. I don't know, again, all, and to see, but see, I can hear the haters being like, or the, or the people being, but no, [00:15:00] I can say that taking away women's rights for abortion is wrong. And this is the conversation that I feel like I, that we're heading into, because Yeah.
Kyley: have been observing when my anger feels like indignant or like, Like that feeling of like activated outside myself, anger versus that, like very clear line in the sand has been crossed, like not fucking acceptable. And I've been watching that specifically around, um, like what we would call politics or like what's been showing up in political discourse. And, um, that has been enlightening. I, I don't in this moment, in this moment, I'm not having, I'm not necessarily feeling like a. [00:16:00] Is it wrong thing? I'm actually feeling, um, Okay. Like the other day I was driving with my kids. I live in Massachusetts. Like we were not part of the fucking Confederacy. If everyone remembers civil war history and I was driving my kids in the highway and these assholes, Confederate flags and a, and a Trump flag.
Kyley: And I was, I was just like, so. Fucking pissed because I was like you this is about racism, right? Like you can pretend if you live in South Carolina that you're that your flag is about like, you know Culture or history you can at least tell that you can't tell that story if you're friggin townie from South Shore, Massachusetts, right?
Kyley: Like you're just a racist Or you are like like you are you are you are in support of Like America's racist shit. And I didn't feel triggered. I felt mad. And that was really [00:17:00] different. Like I was like, that is unacceptable. Like you are causing harm. I like. Not, like, not, like, not something I am okay with, and I had a whole really beautiful, like, really awesome conversation with my kids, which is interesting, there are different age levels around engagement in it, but I had this, like, really cool conversation with them, like, telling them about the history of the Confederate flag and, um, and, and, and, um, and it felt very clear to me, like it didn't, it was, it felt very embodied.
Kyley: It felt very clear. It felt like blind, like the kind of anger that she's like blind in the sand, not okay. Versus like yesterday I posted something about like being anxious about election results and someone popped into my comments and was, you know, Kind of like benign, but like not. They were like, oh, how come?
Kyley: Why? Like in this like really kind of like trolly, but like pretending to not be trolly way. And I was so mad. I was like, [00:18:00] like, so like, I was like writing in my head like, well, I didn't write these things. But in my head, I was writing this whole like, how can you think this is like, and I could feel how like, how triggered I was and how like outside of myself I was. And like, One of those is actually way more unacceptable than the other, but the one that, like, the line and the embodiment felt really clear when I saw the way people were, like, the discourse that was happening on this highway versus, like, this guy's kind of passive aggressive comment, and and that, that's the thing I want more access to, is that kind of, like, embodied knowing, which then creates just this, like, powerful action and, like, clarity, as opposed to this, like, bit, bit, bit, bit, bit, bit, bit, thing that just churns and actually helps nobody.
Eva: Okay. And, okay. Yes. I hear you. And I'm curious, curious in those two examples,
Eva: [00:19:00] knowing, feeling the, the embodied, I think anger that you felt when you saw the Confederate flag versus the anger, the annoyance and anger that you felt when that person kind of made a passive aggressive snooty comment or whatever. So, Which one in you instilled more violence?
Kyley: Oh, definitely the passive aggressive Facebook comments.
Eva: Yes. Okay. See, cause that's what I'm interested in because what I'm trying to also understand is
Eva: I really do feel like my ultimate desire is like love and understanding. Like, love and understanding. And I think politics is just like the perfect fucking ploy for us to go to war with each other. And we are at war with each other and we're not the enemies of each other. I actually think it's like the greater powers that fucking be, whatever they are.
Eva: It's I, I don't even know if I want to, it's the systems. I don't know, whatever. You know what I mean? I don't know if it's the corporations. I [00:20:00] think it's the money, honestly. I think it's like the people who, who gain. power and who benefit from us being at war with each other, right?
Kyley: Okay.
Eva: feel like guilt when I see it. It feels like, oh God, awakening, like, oh my God. I see why there's violence in the world. I know where it comes from. It comes from this hate that I have in myself when I see someone thinking something different than me and I'm like, fuck you.
Eva: So that's what I don't want, because I'm actually like, if that's what this is bringing up in me, that is not helping. So it, [00:21:00] and, and that's what you were feeling with like the snide comment that someone made, but what you were experiencing with like seeing the confederate flag and just having like, it sounds like a stronger sense of knowing, of just being like, this is not okay with me, but it didn't create this violence within you.
Eva: That's, I too am also looking for more, but I think the reason, I don't know, I think I'm confused now because I'm just in this place of like, like not wanting to inflict more violence in the world. And so therefore I feel like I've been taking almost as if I've been taking a step back from politics as a way to do that, but also not knowing if, if that, but then also being like, maybe that is bypassing because I'm just in a process of figuring it out.
Eva: Do you know, trying to figure out like, what does nonviolence? Look like here and if it means that I need to take a take take a step back I'm actually okay with that. Like I'm not like I've actually given myself space but I think Or at least I'm trying to give myself space But I do have guilt because I'm afraid of how [00:22:00] it's being perceived by who this it totally invisible mob by the way but this invisible mob that says Which is probably just old me actually, old me being like you're not being active and you're not doing the social justice y thing that you've always identified with and that's like, that's kind of this existential crisis that I'm having because I'm just like, I do believe in peace and love and I don't actually think that these people, or I don't want them to be my enemies, or I don't want to be against them.
Eva: Like, this isn't gonna work. It isn't gonna fucking work this way. And I'm, I'm pissed at the system that just pegs us against each other. Because the truth is, I actually do think that a lot of these people who are fucking, like, these people who have, like, voted for Trump, and it's, like, insane, and I look at these numbers, and I look at these colors, and I'm like, who are these people?
Eva: And you know what? I've had the same conversation with you before on the podcast, which is like, I don't actually think all these people are bad. I think these people. are doing what they think, their version of what, [00:23:00] like, safety and love is for them. It's just very different from what it looks like for me.
Eva: And then on top of that, there's also the confusion because a lot of Democrats are fucking fascists. So,
Kyley: Well, I was going
Kyley: to say, we're not even talking about the fact that, like, it's not like Kamala Harris is the second coming, right? Like, she's also complicated, right? Like, like,
Eva: I'm, I don't like either. I do not like, this is what I mean when I say stepping back, like, I, no, like, no to both of them. Like, I feel like I'm going into, like, anarchist world here, is what I'm talking about when I say I'm having a crisis here. Because, like, like, it's, it ain't them. Like, I'm talking about stepping outside of the fucking system.
Kyley: To the point of taking one step out at some point in the past year, as I continue to look at what's been happening in Palestine, I just felt this really deep sense of like, I can't fucking vote for Joe Biden.
Kyley: Are you kidding me? Like, I [00:24:00] can't, I can't like those children could be my children. it's it's it's pure geography that those that those children are not my children and I can't like pretend that I can't be. I can't pretend that this is okay what's happening. And I can't. Now our electoral college is fucked and so like, on some level my Massachusetts vote for president is like, you know, like a cute little performance and I've never even imagined not voting and not, and especially when the opposite, like when it, when it was like Biden against Trump, the fact that it was like pretty seriously considering not voting for Biden was like really wild territory. Ultimately, I voted and voted enthusiastically for Kamala Harris for all I think she, you know, was also an imperfect choice. Would have been better, but [00:25:00] imperfect. But I found something really big in giving myself permission to ask the question. 26 year old Kylie would have, like, screamed in my face at the thought that I would consider not voting. Against, uh, like, um, and there was a, there was a lot of, um, sovereignty that came out of that, like, asking those questions, like, asking that question. And I have a lot of compassion and understanding for people who are like, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not voting. I also have, I, you know, on the left, I also have a lot of compassion for people who are fucking pissed that you wouldn't vote because Trump blew worse for people's lives.
Kyley: I also have some level of compassion for people who are scared and angry and I feel disappointed by life. And so I have chosen that like Trump's anger is an important [00:26:00] medicine for them. And I think. The duality, the complexity is that, um, to, to the point of people who vote for Trump, it's like, yeah, I don't think they're all like the worst people in the world. When I know people who voted for Trump, I also think that, um, I, I, think the complexity is holding someone with compassion and like seeing their humanity while also knowing what our boundaries are and maybe everyone's boundaries are different. Right. And like part of what I find so upsetting about everything about Trump. is how fucking reactive it is, how disembodied it is, right?
Kyley: Like from his rhetoric, but also like the actions of his, like, you know, inner circle of fans. [00:27:00] And it feels the opposite of that feeling that I had when I saw the Confederate flag in Massachusetts of like, get the fuck out of here. Like, you know, um, no, this is gross. This is unacceptable. Um, and I think the question, I feel like part of what's in your, the questions you're asking and I'm asking is like, What is the line, what's the, what's the line, what's the way in which we can hold people with compassion and continue to see their humanity because divisiveness is not helpful, but it's also like, but also not slipping into a kind of Pollyanna, like Kumbaya,
Kyley: why can't we all just get along thing, which isn't what you're saying.
Kyley: I don't think that, but like,
Eva: Well, no, I mean, there is, yeah, that is one of the questions. It's one of the many, you know, yes, I actually do think that is one of the questions and without the bypassing, you know, and figuring out like what's an integrity and when an action is coming from integrity and when it's coming from fear, essentially, or something.[00:28:00]
Eva: But there's also just this bigger question of like,
Eva: and this is where it starts to feel like. where I feel like the spiritual component comes in a little bit of is like, um, like you were saying 20 something year old Kylie would have been like shocked that you would have been questioned voting, you know, for Biden or the Democratic Party. And I think I'm having that version of like, I'm shocked that I'm like, Oh, I think I want to do whatever it might take to build a new system, like to go in that direction.
Eva: And like, like, I understand why people vote third party, even though it like, like this election more than ever, like, I understand because it's like the long game, because I think people with their vote third party are like, and it's interesting, like reading the discourse, people being like, [00:29:00] it doesn't matter you, they're never gonna win.
Eva: Jill Stein's not gonna fucking win. So why would you do that? Why would
Kyley: time stocks, but Yes. correct.
Eva: Yes. But And also, she's You know, you're just wasting your vote in Lollapalooza and other people being like, yeah, maybe, but like, we need to start doing that so that we can actually change the political system.
Eva: Like people just have different, I think people all want the same fucking thing. They're just doing it in different ways. And then people argue about each other, with each other about how the right way is, or even, or even adding like, well, Jill Stein sucks. And it's like, well, it doesn't even fucking matter to me that Jill Stein sucks.
Eva: Because what I really want is a fucking, uh, Five candidate party system. You know what I mean? Like that's what needs to happen. And it's like, well get real lady that's never gonna fucking happen. And it's like, well it's never gonna happen when you keep thinking that way. And you can just go on and on and on and on and on and on forever.
Eva: And I don't know, I don't, I don't think I'm ever really gonna know what the right way is. And, but that's what this exploration is about. Which may take years. It may, this may be like a years long
Kyley: Yeah.
Kyley: [00:30:00] this, I mean, this might, this might not be a thing that we see the conclusion of. Right. And I, and this is where it comes back to the sacred work piece because the, the invitation and this is what I like feel so strongly this morning is that it's interesting because I've actually had this feeling. At like, like bubble up inside of me, I can remember having this feeling very strongly in response to when Roe v. Wade got overturned at like, it was like when COVID first hit, I've had this exact feeling like multiple times. And I've actually, I'm just now clocking that it is actually really tied to these external, um, political shifts. We've used the phrase a lot. The revolution is the inside, is an inside job. And I, I believe that with every fiber of my being. And. [00:31:00] We all have like work that's ours. And again, it's not necessarily for commercial gain, right? It's not necessarily, um, like
Kyley: a business, although
Eva: like, can you mean like motherhood, like creating art, like 10, like,
Kyley: It's not even, um,
Eva: yeah.
Kyley: is like the embodiment of our fucking being, Like, if you are fully yourself, then the path is clear and the path is one of like, love and sovereignty and boundaries without that violence, right? And And the kind of action that invites other people into deeper embodiment of like, and like, safely and generously invites people into deeper embodiment of like, their sacred truth and their true way of being. So I think our sacred work, I keep using that phrase, but it's like, uh, you could be, you can, you can [00:32:00] be a mother from a like, disembodied, reactive, angry place, or you can be a mother from a like, Embodied self love first place and the motherhood is actually secondary to how much you are in the truth of embodied like embodiment of what you fucking value, right? Um, and I think that's how that's the only way things change. These systems are designed, they are this very like infrastructure itself exists. to separate us from ourselves. And I don't even need, and I'm not saying this from some conspiracy theory, like there's someone at the top who's like right, getting the fat check.
Kyley: It's like the system is also separating the person at the top from themselves. The system is designed to perpetuate this kind of internal and external violence. And so how [00:33:00] do we combat that? I mean, to your point, excising the violence within ourselves and also standing in your fucking truth. from a like generous and generative place instead of a violent reactive place.
Eva: Okay. I'm so happy that you clarify what you meant by sacred work, because I thought you were really speaking something more specifically, like how we can show up in society to tend to our societal part of the garden. But what
Kyley: And I
Eva: to,
Kyley: sorry, go ahead.
Eva: what you're thinking to, what you're speaking to is very resonant with.
Eva: how I always feel about all of these things. So like what you're saying when you're like, the revolution's an inside job, we've had this, that, this version of this conversation over and over and over on the podcast, because it's been years, we've been doing this podcast for five plus years. And so in these five years, if you guys recall, there've been a lot of times where, um, fucked [00:34:00] up shit has happened.
Eva: And we've, and, and the, and it just seems like the best solution we come to, it's always, it comes back to. Um, the inner work and so, or what you call the, the, the, what you call the sacred work and how I experienced that is like, it's about our own personal liberation. Like I think my sacred work anyway, I'll speak for myself, but I actually think this is everyone's sacred work.
Eva: So I'll just say it. It's like, what are we doing? What is your path towards more like freedom? Love and inner peace. Like that to me is, I think everyone say good work. I actually think we all came here to learn love and to go all the way as an enlightenment. Like, I think that's what we incarnated into this planet to do.
Eva: And so, and I, and I think, Um, what our sacred work is, is I feel like [00:35:00] I'm making maybe a judgment call for myself because again, all of this isn't, it's like, you know, this isn't new and also I'm revisiting it again. It's like for me, my sacred work and I think our, our sacred work has to involve how do we help us come together instead of living with the illusion of separation?
Eva: Like, because. That is where all of our suffering comes from. It is this illusion of separation. And Mm hmm. Mm hmm. You're giving excited hands.
Kyley: I am getting very excited hands because you're speaking to the, the, I think for me, what appears as the second layer of sacred work, the more deeply we embody, like there's like our authentic truth, whatever superficial, not quite right language you want to use, right? The more deeply we're in that space, the action materializes. And so [00:36:00] you're speaking to liberation and. Like seeing each other with like, like this dissolving of separation between us and divisiveness between each other, because that's your sacred work, right? That's your internal process and also your external gift. And my feeling that I'm all lit up on is like, so then go do the fucking thing.
Kyley: Like, how deeply can you embody what I'm feeling all inspired about is like, how deeply can you embody your truth and then take powerful, decisive action that changes the external world? from that embodied place, because that's my sacred, right? That's my external facing. That's like the gift that I put forward.
Kyley: That's the frequency of my particular offer, which is also my constant internal journey. And so this is also what I mean of the more deeply we're in our own being, the gift that we have and the very unique way in which we change the [00:37:00] weaving of the whole fucking world shows up. And the more deeply we're in our own truth, the more powerful those waves that we send out are.
Eva: yeah, yeah. So two things come up for me when I say that is, when you say that first, yes to the sacred work. And thank you for just sort of like, um, mirroring like, oh yeah, we're just both speaking to like, what we believe to be true for us and how, you know, and therefore how it is in, you know, how we show up in the world.
Eva: But I guess I just want to say one more thing about my own personal sacred work is that I want to get people, I want to get myself first. Okay, let's be real. I want to get myself first where I'm doing this liberation work that includes everyone instead of like, instead of dividing or separating me from anyone else because the truth is, is like, in reality.[00:38:00]
Eva: We are actually all connected, right? So there is no fucking thing. There is no separation. And I want to believe that actually when we get that free, we're no longer in this system. We just step the fuck out of the system and we create like a whole new fucking system. I think that's actually what it takes.
Eva: Like, that's what I mean when I see this politics thing about like us versus them and blah, blah. It's just like, it is. Like, they're doing such a good job. I don't know who they are, but like, this works really well, because we're just all really fucking distracted right now with like, how, how much the other side sucks.
Eva: You know, it's working this, this, it's working very well. However, this is working, you know, it's all just, it just feels like a huge, big distraction for like, what the work that really needs to be done is like, we just need to step out of this fucking matrix and create the new world, which you and I have also had really beautiful conversations about like, what is the new world?
Eva: So like, . That's my heart's desire. And then the second thing that comes [00:39:00] up, and I'm, this is not new Kylie. You know me. But unfortunately, it's like I believe in this so much and I'm also so terrified of like, someone's gonna hear this conversation and be like, yeah, get real lady. You're living in your woo woo, new age, spiritual la la land.
Eva: That's not how this fucking shit works. You are delusional. And I don't know. And it's sad, empathetic , you know.
Kyley: Yes, and uh, nothing changes if people, you're, if you're not delusional. Like, you don't think it was fucking delusional that Harriet Tubman freed herself and then was like, you know what, I'm gonna go back. I'm gonna go back and I'm gonna just keep fucking rescuing people.
Eva: Yes, oh my god, thank you so much for saying that because, thank you so much for saying that because
Eva: something that I have, I love about myself and I love this about you too is that [00:40:00] I think we're really optimistic people. And I think that's a strength, not a weakness. And most of the time I see that as a strength and I'm like, okay, good. Like, yes, like let's push the boundaries of limits and possibilities and let's fucking go.
Eva: But you know, I'm still a Capricorn. So I still have that practical part of me that goes, yeah, every once in a while, I guess I forget that it's actually a strength because, but I do think there is such a thing as optimism balanced with, I don't know, structure, optimism balanced with I don't know.
Kyley: This goes back to our conversation I think that we had about hope a while ago. Oh, we haven't actually released it yet. We have a, we have a conversation recorded over the summer about hope and how hope is actually like very complicated and sometimes not actually helpful, which maybe everybody needs right now.
Kyley: I don't know. Or maybe no one needs it right
Kyley: now, but, but, um, but so forgive me listeners, cause I'm doing a [00:41:00] callback to something you haven't listened to yet. I think it's, it's the disembodied optimism that's, that's actually escapism, that's dangerous, right, or maybe unkind or unhelpful, because it's, it, to me, it's like, it's the optimism, or it's the belief that things can be fucking better, while also being willing to look directly at how fucked up
Kyley: it is.
Eva: Hmm.
Kyley: Right? It's like, we can do something better, and the way that we do it is by acknowledging, like, Today, trans kids are less safe in America. That is fucking true. That is true, and we cannot pretend that that is not true. And at the same time, if we don't actually believe that something better is possible, and then act in accordance with the belief that something better is possible, we're fucked.
Eva: Yeah. Yeah. [00:42:00] Hmm.
Eva: Yeah. I'm just processing. I'm just thinking. I think I will have more to say. I'll just say this to I wasn't, I. I'm just trying to decide if I should keep going, yeah, or not keep going.
Eva: And you know what, I think this is going to be a to be continued conversation because, um, Obviously, we have quite a bit to say. I still have some unresolved thoughts. It's still really early on in this. And so we'll see how we feel, you know, as time passes.
Kyley: I also want to invite people to send us their, THEIR questions about These, this topic of like politics and sovereignty and another Trump presidency, um, because we will keep talking about this and I would love to hear where the, the complexity might be living for you. So send us your questions so we can keep weaving them through