This week, Eva and Kyley sit down with Eduardo Rombauer, a Brazilian “soul scientist,” activist, and healer whose work begins and ends with love — not as an idea, but as a living force.
This week, Eva and Kyley sit down with Eduardo Rombauer, a Brazilian “soul scientist,” activist, and healer whose work begins and ends with love — not as an idea, but as a living force.
Once a political organizer trying to change the world from the outside, Eduardo now guides others in what he calls “the revolution of the heart.” He believes that love is both our original nature and our most advanced technology — and that remembering it is the real work of our time.
Eduardo’s work is about finding those barriers and learning to stay with them — not to remove them through force, but to soften them through acceptance.
What we cover in this episode 🌹
💗 Love beyond the mind: Why trying to define love keeps us from experiencing it — and how the intellect can never grasp what the heart already knows.
🌎 The soul as scientist: Eduardo’s evolution from politics to consciousness work, and how he now explores love through community, healing, and spiritual inquiry.
🧬 “To love is to unite without mixing.” How this one principle applies to everything from parenting and relationships to nations and the self.
👶 Parenthood as initiation: The way Eduardo’s daughter became his greatest mirror — helping him confront inherited anger, repair generational patterns, and rediscover tenderness.
🌑 Loving the “evil side”: What it means to include every shadow and contradiction within us, and why true self-love requires embracing what we’ve been taught to reject.
🕊️ From savior to servant: The humbling shift that comes from realizing you can’t rescue anyone — only walk beside them as they remember their own power.
🔥 Facing ridicule as a spiritual practice: Eduardo’s recent initiation into being seen, misunderstood, and still choosing love anyway.
💫 Mind in service of soul: A practice for using awareness as a bridge between intellect and intuition, reason and reverence.
Eduardo’s story is a reminder that love is not something we earn or achieve. It’s the material we’re made of.
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Eva: [00:00:00] Hello. Hello, universe listeners. We are so, so excited for this week's episode.
Me personally, because we have my dear sweet friend with us from Brazil, our act, my first actual Brazil connection. Our guest today is Eduardo Rombauer, and I'm, he's, I just love this human so much. Um, I've had the pleasure. I mean, he calls himself a soul scientist and, and he will talk more about what that looks like and feels like.
But for me personally, I know Eduardo, we, I call him Ew from, um. His work in helping [00:01:00] me and guiding me and really holding me through some plant through plant medicine experiences that have really just been some of the most profound experiences of my life. And we became such good friends, like quick friends, like so quickly and almost feels like family.
So Eduardo, we're so excited to have you here.
Eduardo: Alright, thank you Eva. Thank you Kyley, for this wonderful invitation. It is a pleasure to be with you sharing some thoughts and feelings and ideas. Yes.
Eva: Oh, love your soul so much. Okay, so I wanna ask you, what is something that life is teaching you right now in this moment?
Eduardo: Well, that's a very good question. Life is teaching me to really take, um, my deep belief in love to the highest possible consequences, you know, and after so many years. Studying and connecting to love as a principle and [00:02:00] uh, and healing myself and healing other people. At this moment, I am really coming to the world with this eager to face any barrier that can exist against love, so then we can really learn to love ourself in each other.
Oh,
Kyley: yes. Can I ask a question that just pops into my head, which might seem funny, but can you define love for us? Like this is a word we all use, right? And I think lately I've been watching, I shared this a couple weeks ago with Eva. I've been watching in meditation, this energy, this like call to surrender and I've been feeling my some, someone who also is love, a big fan of love, but I've been watching this.
This trepidation around surrender. 'cause I've been like, who am I surrendering to? I don't know. What's this whole love thing? What are you all about? And it's been interesting to see how that's like living in the tender parts of [00:03:00] me. So as someone so devoted to love, can you tell us what it is?
Eduardo: I, I love this question because I love to deconstruct it.
You know, uh, the very question, what love is, is a barrier to love. Why? Because so many, so, so many people get trapped by this question. You know why? Because it's a mind question. What is, we try to define something. And the question, the the, the big challenge is that love is so something so vast, so immense, that the mind cannot understand.
Although you know what it is, but you are so conditioned by your mind to not believe in what you feel, in what you know, in what experience that you have to define it.
Eva: Mm-hmm. But
Eduardo: we found a solution for that after, so [00:04:00] after so many years discussing, we created this edra of love, this university alternative university, uh, study group that we spent years discussing and finding, you know, with religious leaders, therapists, and uh, uh, artists and, you know, philosophers and activists of love.
We found a very, um, wonderful understanding, which is, uh, although love, you cannot explain, we can, uh, relate to it in symbols. Like everything that comes from the soul, like the dreams, we only relate through symbols. That's how the mind can make a bridge with something faster that body can understand, right?
So the way I like to symbolize what love is, is like source of life. We all come from love. Love made us. We are made by love. And love makes itself happen through us. So [00:05:00] it's something hugely immense that created us and that acts through us. But so what we do with the mind, because the mind has its role.
You know, I don't, I'm not any, I don't put the mind as a enemy. That's a mistake. Also, how we use the mind. To really understand and work for love. The big understanding this group has made, which made a huge difference for me is like, is this, although the mind cannot explain love, the mind can understand, uh, the choice of loving and the mind can understand the effect of the choice of loving.
So what is the effect of the choice of loving when we love? Yeah. Can you
Eva: explain that and can you give like an example
Eduardo: of what that means? Yeah, sure, sure. I'm getting there. When we love in, when we put love in action because there's love [00:06:00] and loving, right? When we are loving, the effect of the action of love is to unite without mixing.
That, that, that's worth, uh, that's worth for anything. For example, a couple, what is a healthy couple is a couple that is united without con codependency, right? Mm-hmm. What does a child need? She needs to find her own identity, her own self, and slowly detach from the parents. A good parenthood is the one that allows, enables the, the, the, the, the child to grow being her own individual and not carrying the shit from the parents, right?
Yes. So that's UA United family is able to have the couple and the child, each one it is united mm-hmm. In, in their own singularities being respected. And the same goes to a organization, a team, a a, a city, a nation, and the whole world, you [00:07:00] know? Mm-hmm. A a a nation that is in war is a nation that has no respect for individuals.
A nation that is in peace, that is, uh, is the one that respects all individuals in their own singularities, because then love is prevailing where there is no war. You know? So you can use this principle for anything you love, you unites without mixing, you know? And the same thing when we love ourselves.
Eva: Well, yeah. How does that, what does that look like? When we love
Eduardo: each part of you is valued in its own singularity, but you are united with yourself. So you have your shadow and your light. You have your higher self and your lower self. You have your, uh, your inner child that is, uh, can be wounded, but you also have a magic child, and you have your feminine and your masculine side.
Mm. Each part of you in your, or even your. Brain, your heart, any part of your body. Um, all of them. Uh, [00:08:00] physical parts, emotional parts, mental parts, spirit, energetic, spiritual, spiritual bodies, all of them are integrated, are united. Mm-hmm. But you can reach each part of you. For example, uh, if you have fear, uh, fear is not bad, you know, but you have, if you have.
Fear everywhere. If you have a trauma that cause you lots of fear or lots of anger or an emotion that prevails over love or other, other emotion, joy, uh, pleasure. If you have emotions that are coming over because you have traumas, then you have a part of you that is mixing with the other parts of you. Mm.
So the radical self-love is the path of finding the parts of you who are wounded and loving yourself and healing yourself so that each part of you can be in its own place and then you can be integrated as a whole. Mm. So you're [00:09:00] not mixed with your part.
Eva: Okay.
Eduardo: It's the same principle.
Eva: Yes. Kyley,
Eduardo: clear for you.
How does it sound to you? Because, you know, I, it's, I would like it to hear from you if it makes sense to you.
Eva: Yes. Kyley, I'm gonna ask you, 'cause Kyley is making her face, Kyley was making a face earlier. That was her like, I am. Oh,
Kyley: don't call on me because I'm having one of those experiences. I find this, whenever I'm with someone who's really embodied in their work, I sometimes have this experience where my body is receiving something and responding to something.
And to your point, my mind is just like getting half my mind is not the primary recipient. So I actually had a whole trippy thing happening where I was having this very strong felt sense reaction. And I actually do not know any of the words that you said.
Eva: Okay. So that's a very good thing. That's where Kai, Kyley symptoms, like someone says something and she's just like, whoa.
Like her body is going, whoa. Like, I dunno what to make. Yep. This, yep.
Kyley: That was actually, and just, just as [00:10:00] you, just before you asked me the question, my brain came back on and I was like, wait, where have we been? Yeah. But now this isn't, it's not the meal. I also other times get distracted. It was not that.
It's not that. It's this very like. It's like a trans, I think we get, we get transmissions when we are in community with people who, yeah, live in deep devotion to their medicine and yeah, my brain knows enough to know to piece out for a little bit.
Eduardo: I can feel you. I can feel you very connected. You know, with what I'm saying, what it seems to me is that you're a very intuitive person.
And very sensitive, you know, and that's one of the great things of, uh, uh, learning to use the mind in service of soul because we only, we don't value intuition as much. You know, when we put intuition as a real resource for us to understand things, then the mind slowly can make sense of what you have intuited, right?
Mm-hmm. So I have the [00:11:00] sense that you are getting the essence of everything, although I have twisted your mind and I love twisting people's mind because that's what we need. We need to,
Eva: okay. I just wanna take, I just wanna take a moment to jump in and say like, this is, this is like, ugh, so good for me. And so, I mean, you do one, first of all, I think what makes you stand out in my heart as someone who's just so beloved is like.
Your dedication to this path of like love. It's like, and you're so excited and you're like a little boy sometimes you get you like a little boy. You get so excited just talking about love. And then you're also doing literally like 50 things all at once. I've never seen somebody. So, um, like, I don't know how you balance it all, but you're like, you are an activist in many ways and you come from an activist background, but you're out there going, like, you're writing a book and you're doing this class, and you're doing this 40 day walk soon.
And it's like, you are, you're so passionate, I think about sharing this message of love with the world. And that's also really beautiful [00:12:00] to watch. And also personally, that has been the medicine I have received from you. It's like you remind me like, you know what love is like, it's, it's very helpful for you for to hear that reminder of like, you already know, but also you're helping me always, um, like as you would say, uh.
Love all parts of myself so that they're not codependent and like mixing in an unhealthy way. And that's been a lot of just my experience, my work with you so far. And it's just the beginning. Yeah.
Eduardo: So good to hear that. Yes.
Eva: So, um, and you do, like, this is what I love so much about you, and it is like your essence, you know, like I, I know you to be someone who's like, so genuinely passionate and dedicated about love and about spreading love through the world.
And sometimes I, when you're talking, I see you like a little boy, you know, like, you get so excited and you're so motivated. And I think this has [00:13:00] probably something to do with also, also your history and your paths path. But you are one of the most dedicated and also busiest people I know in terms of like the work that you do, you're literally doing like 20 to 30 things all at one time.
And I don't know how you do it, but it's like you, it seems like you're just in this space of being like. Galvanizing, like being like, let's go. It's time to spread love. And that is your mission and it's really, really beautiful to me. And it's also the medicine that you've offered to me, which is you've helped me remind me, you know, you remind me that like, I already know what love is.
Like I get lost in the thoughts of what it is. But I, when I'm with you, I remember that. I remember what love is. Mm-hmm. And also that you helped, you are, you know, the work that we are doing together. It is a lot about, you know, loving all parts of myself so that they can exist together, coexist in a healthy way rather than, you know, mixing as you say, or like bleeding into each other.
[00:14:00] And anyway, I'm just, I think I am. I'm very motivated. Whenever I'm with you, I just get really excited because I feel that energy of love.
Eduardo: Yeah. You know, I also feel very excited when I'm with you because I see that in you as well, you know? Mm-hmm. I see you very passionate about people and, uh, the things that I am, uh, I've always been my whole life completely passionate about people.
It's something almost crazy. And the thing is that, uh. When I, when I was very young, I used to, I didn't know that I had, I was super traumatized child, you know, because of family stories and, you know. Mm-hmm. And, you know, I had very loving parents, but full of traumas and, and some, you know, mental disease disorders in my mother.
Mm-hmm. So these things were, you know, very, very painful. And, and it was really, really hard for me. But [00:15:00] the way I reacted to all these traumas was to being out of myself. I was always out of the present. I was always looking to the future. I was always lucky in my mind.
Eva: Mm-hmm.
Eduardo: And, but I had always this, uh, uh, uh, unshaking, unshakable.
Eva: Mm-hmm.
Eduardo: Uh, indescribable hope, you know, human humanity. You know, I always saw myself with like seven years old. I, I was clear, I was part of humankind and I was part of the evolution of humankind. And I have this always loved to see people, if they were suffering, if they were working my house, whatever people were doing, I was always passionate about them.
And this is part of me, you know? Mm-hmm. But the things that I was always trying to save others, trying to love others, but I didn't know how to love myself until my whole life broke. Mm-hmm. When I became a parent seven years ago, and then I had to really look into myself and I collapsed completely. [00:16:00] And I really was a hard way to learn to love myself.
Eva: Mm-hmm. And
Eduardo: that's when I really understood. The real power of love when I was healing myself, you know, I heal physical stuff. I, I, I had diseases that I, that I don't have anymore. I had mental disease that I healed also with plant medicine, but mostly using this whole approach that I studied for many years on, on, on, uh, getting observation, uh, uh, with, with, uh, Vipasana and other, um, spiritual practices.
I applied to myself and I could heal myself with the part of other people as well. And I really got out of it.
Eva: Mm-hmm.
Eduardo: And as I'm got out of it, as I got out of it, I. Lost all fear of holding love as as a message, you know? 'cause I always believed in love, but I was always kind [00:17:00] of like, uh, trapped by the whole mistaken that, uh, the word love is using, uh, the whole, uh, mistaken way that the word love is used, you know?
Mm-hmm. Uh, so although I was studying love, I was, you know, discussing about love muji with politics, when I was in politics, I was always defending love. There was this huge barrier to love. And now that I healed myself and I like been healing more than like three, 400 people that come to my retreats, and I've been able to help them to understand their own love.
And then I'm bringing this to public, to online courses and all that, and I've been helping people online to learn to love themselves. I lost any doubt that, uh, of the power of love is when it's correctly understood. That's why I have this, you know, deep unshakeable [00:18:00] unes, destroyable faith in love because I applied to myself and I know that as part of humankind that I feel as since a child, we as humankind, it's time for us to really.
Find again, the meaning of love and practicing in our own healing in our organizations, in our societies openly. We have to let go the fear
Eva: mm-hmm.
Eduardo: Of assuming love as the principle of our lives. Yes. That can read this. I mean, I have this t-shirt here I made today. Look. Yes, love. So I guess you
Eva: can, can, can you read it in, in a Portuguese first and then it's translate it,
Eduardo: it says,
so it is love is the answer. What is your question?
Eva: Oh, I love that. So whatever the question is, love is the answer.
Eduardo: Yes. And I, I, you know, this, this saying is, is spread all over Brazil. You know, [00:19:00] every time I see somewhere it's like this zone, whatever the, the, the, the question is love is the answer. And I was searching, it seems like it's John Lennon.
Sentence. Mm,
Eva: mm-hmm.
Eduardo: Maybe so. Okay. But then if people are not listening to the word of love, even after so many people are talking about it, like from Jesus to John Lennon.
Eva: Yeah.
Eduardo: Why don't we focus on the barrier to love?
Eva: Yes. Okay. Wait, Juan, before we get to that though, 'cause I, I just wanna say, I also wanna share something that, uh, a story that you shared with me.
I will start and maybe you can finish it off, but like, I was, I just remember at one point you told me the story and I was so touched about how, um, you were really in a bad place. Like you were down, down, down, all this shit was happening life-wise. Life was really coming at you hard and you had, you know, were experiencing a lot of losses and grief.
And you said, and you noticed that it was so beautiful when you told it to me that like you said, you noticed that like you were so in a bad [00:20:00] place, but you noticed that you still had love in your heart. Yes. Do you remember telling me, do you remember telling me that? Because when I was, can you talk about that?
Because I was like, so Yeah. Like that really stuck, has stayed with me and Yeah. Because I
Eduardo: lost my job. I, I was in a, I lost my wife. I was in this huge process of conflict with my spiritual leader, was initiating me in the spiritual, that tradition of which I serve. I was, um, uh, out of money because, and I was like going, researching always to understand what was I, I realized I had a mental disorder for my whole life, all my life, but I didn't find, I didn't found yet a diagnosis.
Then I found it and I healed from this diagnosis.
Eva: Mm-hmm.
Eduardo: And, but when I was like complete, everything was lost. Um, and I was like, where do I go? The only thing I could know. Is that I had love in my heart, you know, and I, from that place is that I built this deep trust in love. You know, like now I'm gonna [00:21:00] build my whole life a new whole life based on love.
Eva: And
Eduardo: so that's why it's unes destroyable for me, because I've been there to the bottom of the, bottom of the bottom of the, of the well. And I came up, you know, and I came up with the conscious of love.
Eva: Yes. And I remember, yes. And I remember you saying like, you felt like, you know, you had lost all this, but, but you, like you, that couldn't be taken away from you.
Like you knew that you had love in your heart. And I think it's this interesting thing of, and also like, what does that mean and what does that look like? And what does that feel like? And I think, again, we can't really understand that intellectually, but it's like you knew it and it sounds like that's been since then, you know, it's just, you've been a trailblazer.
And so Kyley, I wanna bring this to you. Like I remember. You asking me one time or just being interested in having conversations with people who, when things are really bad, you know, how do you know to keep going? And I feel like this is, this speaks to that a little bit.
Kyley: Yeah. [00:22:00] You know what I
Eva: mean?
Kyley: Yeah.
Well, I also wrote down, and I ke, I'm, for some reason I keep the whole, this whole conversation, I don't know what this means, but I keep drawing stars with like, swirling galaxies inside the stars the whole time we're talking. I don't know. I don't know what, does that mean anything
Eva: to you? You do because you're really good at deciphering science.
Like, that's like your art.
Eduardo: Well, last night I was putting a child to sleep, the son of my girlfriend, and I was looking with the, to the stars with him, and he came to me a thought, uh, come to me. Why? I mean, the, the, the most accurate metaphor to spirituality are is the universe.
Eva: Mm.
Eduardo: You know, uh, the, the, the greatest way for us to, uh, the, the, the, the gr the most closed material place we can reach spirituality is the whole universe.
Mm. Because it [00:23:00] has, it's infinite. It's void, it's vast, it has light, it has shadow. And when we understand that the whole universe is in us, then we got the point.
Eva: When we understand that
Eduardo: we are, we are made of stars, we are not separate from the universe, then we have made the link. You know that when your mind understands that and that that's not abstraction, that's not theory, that's pure science.
Then you have a mind that's aligned with the spirituality that's beginning to be aligned with the spirituality. I dunno if it say something to you, but that's a thought to be Yes, yes,
Kyley: yes, yes. That, that feels, I, that feels very apt and accurate and. I think it will give me more layers as I percolate on the conversation even more.
[00:24:00][00:25:00] But I wanted to come back to something that you said earlier that I love so much. You were speaking about how you spent your whole life defending love, like standing up for it, believing in it. And also that there was this huge barrier to, there was this at the same time there was this huge barrier. And [00:26:00] um, as someone who's parenthood also the thing that cracked me open, like nothing, nothing cracks you open to the universe like parenthood.
But also I just relates so deeply to that experience of like basically being someone who is a firm believer in love while simultaneously disallowing yourself access to experiencing it. And what strikes me about it in this moment is, oh, I feel like teared up. How rave. Little kid Adu and little kid Eva and little kid Kyley was to be like, I don't know, but I know it's, I know this thing.
Love is like this thing, love that. I real know, and I don't know, it's real and I'm gonna orient my whole existence around it, even as I am like, I'm defending this thing I don't even know exists. You know? And [00:27:00] there's a way I think I have often been, uh, hard on myself for the places where I have this barrier, right?
Because I'm like, oh, like, don't, like love, love by now. But then, um, but I think what I'm really struck by right now is like the, like the brilliance of the, of that self pattern. Mm-hmm.
Eva: Yeah.
Eduardo: Yeah. When it comes to me, you wanna say something about,
Eva: well, I just feel like yes. I keep, like, I think there's something brave about it, and I also think like, that's our true nature, you know?
And then we get conditioned out of it, we forget. Yeah.
Eduardo: That's it. Yeah. That's it. Once I heard a beautiful saying that, I love that the most closest expression to God that we can see is a newborn baby.
Eva: Mm-hmm.
Eduardo: And yeah, when we are fathers, we can, when we are parents, we, [00:28:00] we can experience that. But when we are children, uh, the why children need love because they are love and all that.
Love needs is more of itself. And we are love, we are made of love. It's our raw matter. Our purest and subtle and more concrete matter, but we forget of it. You know, that's the great thing. So, uh, when we are child, we understand love because we are more and more connected to our essence. But the more we are hurt and conditioned, the earlier that we are conditioned earlier, we lose this connection.
You know, some very people are lucky of being very well held by their parents and never lose that. But in general, the quest is to be reborn. The quest of [00:29:00] most humankind, although most of these most humankind is not aware of it, is that we lost ourselves and it's time to refine ourself and be born with consciousness because we are born the first time without consciousness.
Eva: Hmm. Then we
Eduardo: are develop consciousness, and then as we gain consciousness, it's time to rediscover our true self from the consciousness and integrate our essence, which is pure love. You know?
Eva: Wow. I love that. That's, yeah. Mm-hmm. I've never thought about it that way. That
Eduardo: and, and then that's where come the barriers, because one of the wise wisest saying that I found in whole human history that I know of is Rumi saying that all you need is to find the barriers to love in your heart.
And, and, and be [00:30:00] in contact with them. So then you can find love. You know, the things that we try to find ourselves running out from ourselves, running out from our fears, running out of, from our anger, running out from our, our rational mind or whatever it is, the most, uh, the, the, the, the most vivid expression of the barriers that we can find in us.
Eva: Mm-hmm.
Eduardo: So the path is the opposite. The path is to really be in con in connection with the barriers. Mm-hmm. You know, and the same thing that I am doing, that I deal with myself to heal myself and that I offer in my retreats and personal work, whatever with individuals, is the now what I'm wanting to bring to society is this understanding that it's time for us to be facing the barriers of love that are in us.
Eva: Mm. You know,
Eduardo: people need to be encouraged. Encouraged, mm-hmm. To. Love, not in [00:31:00] idealistic and romantic way, but in a way that they can really have the curiosity, the, uh, a reason, a purpose, you know, uh, why to be in connection with their own pains, their own shit that many times we are judging, we are running away from, we are avoiding, we are denying, but that's the door.
You know, our traumas are great, great blessings in this pattern of refining ourselves. That's, they are the gateways for us to be reborn.
Eva: Mm-hmm.
Eduardo: So it's time for, yeah. Go.
Eva: So just, I wanna, because I, I know this Rumi quote you're talking about, right? Like, uh, I, I can't remember it verbatim, but the idea, I've heard it before and now I feel like I'm hurting, hearing it a different way, which is like really the, the answer to getting.
To being love is just to first notice all the barriers of love. It's just to notice the barriers to love, and that's actually how we, and I guess removing the barriers [00:32:00] to love and that's how we experience and be love. It's not like, does that make sense? What I'm saying is like, it's, it's not like we do more, it's always, you know, as they say, the extract, like the removal of something and then we notice we get to come home to our true nature, which is already there.
Is that kind of what you mean?
Eduardo: Yeah. Yeah. The things that we, we understand, we believe they have to remove the barriers, but the removal is, is not something that we do with effort, is through acceptance. Acceptance. It's something you
Eva: do with more love.
Eduardo: Yeah. Yeah. All, all you need to do is do love the parts of yourself that are lacking of love.
Mm-hmm. So, uh, the, i, I will recover here. The, the room is saying this in English. I just open here is your task is not to seek for love. But to merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourselves. Within yourself that you have built against it. So it's time for us collectively to practice it. Like our task [00:33:00] is to seek and find all barriers that within ourselves that we have built against it.
Because that's another great learning that I have from this group of many years of studying, of love, of the Catheter of love, is that one of our sayings is our, our, our main, uh, um, mottos is no one learns, no one teaches another one to love, and no one loves learns to love alone.
Eva: Love
Eduardo: is learned through the encounters.
Eva: Mm-hmm.
Eduardo: So we all, we love, we only can learn love truly together.
Eva: Yes. Okay. Wait, you do, can you talk a bit about your own barriers to love that you noticed when you were on your path?
Sure. I'm gonna
put you, I will put you on blast, which is a way of saying like, just really shine a light on [00:34:00] all your stuff.
Eduardo: Sure. I mean, that's what I, the best thing I do sometimes is to share my own shit to people.
Eva: So they, yes. So it's so helpful because we also know that you've done it, you know, you've walked the path.
Eduardo: Yeah. Yeah. So there, there is like the main thing, like there are many levels to it, you know? Uh, the, the most simple way that I found it's even the title of my next book by, which is my beloved evil side, is that we all have a shadow, an evil side that, uh, deserves a love as well, you know, so.
I learned to see with compassion my own flaws, you know?
Eva: Yes. But I'm asking specifically what flaws.
Eduardo: Yeah. Yeah. So when I was a father, I was taken by a huge anger and I was getting crazy because my small little baby in my [00:35:00] hand and I was transmitting anger to her when she cry. I couldn't hold her crying.
And I could remember my mom saying that I couldn't cry. I was not allowed to cry my whole life. So the whole anger that I was transmitting, and I still, today, I'm, we are working on that. You know, my last retreat, she came and we worked at our own healing in front of the whole group. Mia, my daughter, seven year daughter.
Eva: Oh my gosh.
Eduardo: Wow. And other parents were giving me advice. You know, we talk about, uh, you know, I dunno how to translate this, some words of this conversation in English yet, but, um. So I was able to understand, I have the name,
Kyley: I am like, I'm like crying a lot as you're saying this and I'm just gonna interject to share that because my children are eight and six.
So our kiddos, I'm sure would all be pals. They're the same age and um. Like, there is nothing more intense as a, like, no one can [00:36:00] help you see your, the, your own barriers to love, like your children, like, just nothing in the whole world. My, my whole world sh has shown a bright light on my barriers to love, like my children and the places where I've annoyed at them.
You know, those places where you ca you're so mad and you know that it's, it's not, it's not. The other day my, my 6-year-old did something that really hurt my feelings and like, internally I was cracking up because I was like, this is not about what my 6-year-old just did, and yet this feeling is huge.
Like, there's that cavern here, you know? And I am just, um, I'm just struck by you sharing like, really bri, like the, like speaking to like bringing your daughter right up to the front of like bringing her in on the, on the healing because. It's just so massive the way our kids just, they're so brilliant at helping us see our own barriers to love.
Eduardo: Yeah. So yeah, so I'm learning to nourish her when she needs to cry, [00:37:00] but at the same time, I'm bringing her when a, a, a consciousness of when it's real, when the real cry and when she's creating suffering for herself. So it's an exchange. I'm giving her more affection that when she needs, and she's giving me more listening to discern when she is not actually.
In, in, in the need. But she's in a projection that creates suffer unnecessarily. So she's starting to get it, you know, it's, it's wonderful to, to see her building this, this discernment, you know? And, uh, and she knows that I being aggressive to her when she was a child, I already apologized and she already forgave me.
And we both know that she's, um, uh, reproducing patterns. And then I could see the pattern in my mother's family and my father's family. And we even talked something about it, you know, and when I healed [00:38:00] myself, it was very interesting because my. My very parents told me that they saw me different, you know?
Eva: Mm. Mm-hmm.
Eduardo: But yeah, so this is one of the triggers. I'm gonna say another one, for example. Um, well, one thing that I, I, uh, understood when I had to get out of public life, public, you know, and got get out, go to the mountains and live in the forest and be a father, is that I was so conditioned to be the savior.
And then I could see myself wanting to save people. And when I became being a therapist, my hat of savior became more and more visible and I had to learn, you know, to, uh, unlock myself from this place of savior. And actually to see that I needed to save myself.
And when I saved myself, you know, which [00:39:00] was actually the savior is a distortion from our feminine side. So when I was able to nourish find, uh, I, when reshape re regenerate my female side and nourish my own temptation of being a savior
Eva: mm-hmm.
Eduardo: I was able to hold space as a therapist with a whole other level
Eva: mm-hmm.
Eduardo: Of, of, uh, quality because I'm not there. I'm very aware now that I'm not saving anyone. I and now in my last retreat. So you didn't know, see that yet, Eva? But I begin saying here, you are the one who heals. I don't heal herself. The plant medicine doesn't heal herself. It's you who make the choice. If you want to give a leap in our life, and my role is to give you support if you want.
So I get out of the place of Savior, you know?
Eva: Mm-hmm. And I
Eduardo: put myself in the place of a facilitator, you know?
Eva: Mm-hmm.
Eduardo: Other barrier, to finish your question, uh, now I've been like [00:40:00] all 10 years that I have this dream of making this 40 day walk to call all my nation to just refine the meaning of love, and we are starting to manifest it.
But I had to do a. Whole work to see my fear of being ridiculed. Of being ridiculed. Yes. Yes. Okay. Which is my so
Eva: wait of being ridiculed. But really quick before you go in there, I just wanna just, can you say a little bit more about the 40 day walk? 'cause the people don't know what that is. Oh, sorry. Yeah.
Yeah. Mm-hmm. Because I just, okay. So yeah. Mm-hmm.
Eduardo: I have this big dream for many years, but I collapsed and I couldn't do this dream. And so just now that I am coming back, uh, of, uh, uh, uh, you know, our, our, the whole story begins with the fact that our flag, Brazilian flag was supposed to have the word love, which is the only flag in the world that would have love.
Right. 'cause
Eva: what does it say? It's like love something and something else.
Eduardo: Order and progress. [00:41:00]
Eva: Yeah. Love, order and progress. And they took out the love, right?
Eduardo: Yes. They took out love it. It has a reason I, and, and I accept that reason. I think it's a good reason. It was time to, to make a, a, uh, you know, love was something that belonged to church in one moment of republic, so it was time to separate states from church.
So it was time to bring li like state, I think. Uh, and then, um, uh, so I have this dream of, uh, and, and I'm not alone. There's many people in, in Brazil who, who claim that we should put love back in the flag. So, but now I, I have this dream of making this 40 day walk from the old capital to the present capital 1,300 kilometers to call people to, uh, assume the principle of love in our lives and in our nation so that we can put it on a flag, which is not just to saying change the flag, but to call love as a principle in [00:42:00] our lives.
Eva: Mm-hmm. So I
Eduardo: call this movement the walkers of love. I even am translating the manifesto. Mm-hmm. And it'll be in English for you if you want. Mm-hmm. And, uh, so I have this, uh, deep, deep call for us to break barriers to love collectively after I could learn how to do it in individuals in myself first. And I was telling you about the barrier of fear of being, uh, ridicule.
Ridicule,
Eva: ridiculed. Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Eduardo: Because I was very ridiculed when I was a child. Yes. You know, like bullying and these things. So then I was facing this barrier to love in me just two months ago, a month and a half ago for me to get the courage to make this move, you know? Mm-hmm. So this is the work I'm always sharing in my work.
I always share my own barriers. At the present moment, if there is one. I don't hide. I have no commitment to, you know, having this position of the guy who [00:43:00] found the place. I don't put myself as a guru, as a guy. I am just one walking the path of love. I'm ahead of some, you and some parts other are ahead of me and other ones we're just opening the path and we just have to go, you know?
I mean,
Eva: can I just say that's one of the things I love so much about you? That act actually, I think, builds so much trust with, at least with me and how I've also seen you, like how you interact with people is that like, you know, you're in a position where people could easily make you better or separate, like separate or better or further along.
Like, you know, you're, uh, but you just come right back and make yourself so human and you're, and you're like learning from people all the time and you're really humble in that way. And I think it's, it's, it's so cool to watch actually. Yeah.
Eduardo: Yeah, I, because I learned to have no attachment to any positions, you know, I studied a lot about power.
I even have this book Void Power. I was, you know, my whole life I've been [00:44:00] studying about power, kinds of power and what is power and how it works, and the delusions of power, and I'm, I'm, I am vaccinated, how you say? Vaccinated. Vaccinated. I'm vaccinated against power, you know, I've been there in power and political power.
I had a lot of power in my life already. And I don't have any commitments to power in itself unless the power of love, of love, which is the power of being, which is completely, when we are in our essence and connected to essential power, we are not attached to circumstances. Mm-hmm. So if I make a flaw or if I am struggling with something, whatever is happening inside of me, it's part of the work.
It's not separated, you know? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Uh, and this is, you know, um. The first barrier that I, I have really dis constructured, uh, to love in me, uh, eight years ago when I was, uh, initiated in this spiritual path that I serve today was judgment. I was super judgment against others [00:45:00] and myself.
Eva: Mm-hmm.
Eduardo: And I had a very, very difficult spiritual work to see judgment in me, and I really was able to stop judging.
So the fact that I, I don't judge circumstances on myself, I learned it.
Eva: Mm-hmm.
Eduardo: Allows me to be in completely service because people can open themselves to me. Yeah. Because they know they're not being judged, you know? And when I bring, because I don't judge myself and I don't have attach position, I can just bring, and this makes the therapeutic work in a whole nother level because so many therapists, you know, that's the big thing.
I was, other day, someone said, you have to say that in public, you know, uh, it was the fourth or fifth time I said to someone, this in, in a, in a retreat, you know, I started to get angry at therapists, you know, because people come and they do 10 years of therapy, 20 years of therapy, and they never saw the, what is the pattern they, they receive from their parents.
You know, the most basic things, [00:46:00] therapies are not doing, you know? And so, uh, the last, in the last retreat, the person start crying. She said, I'm in 20 years of therapy and I never saw that. My mother did that to me. And I was this, and then I was re reproducing that pattern with her dog. With her son. She was aggressing her son.
She was in despair. That's why she came to me and we solved it. You know, she could unlock it, but she had 20 years of therapy and she said, I lost all that time. No, she, then she realized she didn't lose all that time. It helped her somehow. But therapists in great part are not really looking at themselves.
They go to a psychology course, they do some work in the, but they don't have this inner deep drive to solve themselves, you know? Uh, and that's what's really lacking today. You know, we have to go deep into, you know, the, the, the, the, the, the principle of the, of the Greeks know thyself, you know, to really be curious about ourself, to be, have lose any fear and any resistance to look at our own [00:47:00] shadows, you know, to love our evil side.
Eva: Well, yeah. Which is also what you're helping me with. Yeah. Yeah. And which is interesting 'cause I consider myself very self-aware and then also just seeing like, whoa, there's still so many layers that we can go to, you know?
Kyley: There was this beautiful question that you, you said, we must learn to use the mind in service of soul. And I really was struck by how succinctly that says a thing that I know to be true and how often we.
Um, either elevate the mind and live from mind, or sometimes we make the mind wrong and the enemy, and I just loved this bringing together, but like reversal of order right? Mind in service of soul. And I would just love for you to unpack that a little bit more. What does it look like? How do we do that?
How do we honor that?
Eduardo: [00:48:00] Yeah. Well, one thing is that, uh, many spiritual schools or software and schools make a huge mistake to say that our mind is like an enemy or is a problem. We have to get, get out of the mind. I disagree completely of it. It's a mistake. It's a very bad mistake. Um, the thing is that through the history, uh, our mind has, uh, the whole, [00:49:00] this whole industry of un love, uh, which is like.
Using our vital energy to build billionaires in destruction, nature, and to make powerful people use our vital energy for them. They became masters of our minds. You know, our mind was conditioned to be used in service of anything but us, you know? Mm-hmm. So the, the great turning point that we can do is to regain the domain of our own minds to be in service of ourselves.
So when you say the mind in, uh, the service of the soul, we are speaking about our more subtle, our more deep, our more essential part of us to be able, you know, to, uh, uh, gain power of our own minds so that it can serve us and we can [00:50:00] use the mind, and this is. The great teaching that I learned from Good, good.
The poet, the romantic German poet who spent 40 years creating a science, a spiritual science that he built because he saw Tism being born. And the French revolution and revolution coming out of Cartesianism with the Edgar, the, I think therefore I am. And the thing is, I think with ration, not thinking with the whole, because reason is one of the faculties of thinking, not the only one.
Like intuition is another one, you know, you can think intuitively. Uh, so, uh, he created this method that enables us to see, to become conscious of the mind as we see and relate to things. Which is similar to Ana, similar to other [00:51:00] phenomenological and meditation and, and, uh, mindfulness is the same principle of being fully present to you, but he developed that as a scientific method.
And this is what I use to heal myself, and this is what I use as a structure of my retreats, and this is what I'm starting to teach people.
Eva: Mm.
Eduardo: To shape. So what does that look like?
Eva: And I don't know, can you even like, if it's even possible to describe, but like, so
Eduardo: Yeah, my, my, my, it's my teacher, which is a South African called Alan Kaplan.
I studied with him for eight years. The first class he gave to me, he said, I'm gonna teach you to think with a radical alive, radically alive way of thinking. So basically, uh, we learn, uh, not to explain things, but we learn to see in whatever is visible, we learn to see beyond. But not as an abstraction. We learn, see beyond, but in order to do that, we have to practice and [00:52:00] practice and practice.
It's, uh, uh, uh, uh, the observation of things without projection of thoughts. Okay. Uhhuh,
Eva: wait, wait, wait. So let's just say like, I'm looking, so do you mean like literally like something in front of me? Like my wa let's say I'm looking at my water bottle.
Eduardo: Yeah, you can look, you
Eva: don't wanna, you don't wanna project any, anything onto it,
Eduardo: you mean?
Yeah. The best thing is to watch nature. So plants and, and the life. So he observed for 40 years, he observed plants. So he created a whole botanic school to see the life of a plant. And there was is a point where you can see the plant and you don't see the plant. Just now you see the whole movement of the plant from, from the seed to the caning.
So you, you learn to see the movement. Underneath anything through time with just a bit few of pieces. So that's why my approach of therapy is so accurate. Eva, when you came to my session and you start saying about you, I can see your timeline, [00:53:00] I can see your development, I can see what is particular from you, but I can see the what is from any human being because I've been observing human beings for my whole life and myself and others.
So I can see mm-hmm the structure of human being, uh, operating in you.
Eva: That's so, 'cause you do have a, that is something that you do that's a little bit scary. It's not just for me, but it's for every, because I've seen you with other people and you're just like, like, it's, how do you know? I wanna say it's magic, but now I'm saying, okay, it's not magic.
It's like, it's, it's been practiced, but it's like you will just, like, you'll just call people out, like, you know, people, it's like you can, you can see the whole da da da da da where I feel like I'm being. Uh, described very accurately, and it's a little bit scary. It's like, what happened with Kyley?
Eduardo: I, I could see, I can see you, I can see your intuitive and sensitive person.
You know, I can see that is a quality of you by the way you're looking, by your expression. So beyond expressions, beyond gestures, I learned how to read and [00:54:00] that's what I'm. Willing a lot to teach people with the soul science, with Academy of Science of the Soul, which is I, the one I'm launching very soon.
So, learn how to use this method in therapy and in leadership mostly. You know, that's what the things that I do in life that I can teach most. But to anyone in any area, you can architect, artist, any area of work can use this, this, this method of thinking. How, I mean, it's already happening through other schools in the world are teaching this.
But I found a way that combines with other spiritual work and other consciousness and other concepts. So this is, uh, uh, what's behind my, my motto, use the mind in service of the soul. It's a practical principle. Of really learning to be conscious of your thinking as a tool of your consciousness and of your soul.
And it's possible. And it's super amazing. And it's, it's, I mean, it's liberating. It gives you more capacity of [00:55:00] doing anything in your life from fatherhood, motherhood, to work spiritual work, to practical work. Anything. It, it, it serve you. You can be much more, I mean, you can go much more, much beyond whatever you can imagine of when you learn to use it, but I'm laughing.
You do,
Eva: because I'm not satisfied with your answer. I'm like,
tell
me, Kyley, did he answer your question? Like, like I understand. So it's like a, it sounds like it's this practice that we will not be able to, that you can't imagine that you'd be able to really explain in just the few minutes that we have left in the podcast.
But like Kyley, you kind of had a question about how do we use the mind to support the soul. Do you feel like, well, I think you're kind of pointing to.
Kyley: The, the way, I mean my, my felt sense as someone who, my felt sense is that the answer has to do with how we live more than how we think. Right. And it, and like, it, it requires us to live first and then think in service of living [00:56:00] instead of the other way around. Which is to say it's kind of hard to dissect and put directly into like a soundbite in four minutes of the podcast.
So, um, I think, yeah, it feels like the answer feels like it's something you have, we have to experience and we have to practice and we have to practice the experience of in order to know it rather than, it's like the mind. You can't like trick the mind with the mind, you know?
Eduardo: Yes, exactly.
Eva: Yeah. And that is my mind.
It's very, my mind is like, you know, I do this. I go, I wanna, but what do I do? You know? I wanna be like, what do I, I always am like that. I'm like, what do I do so I can go and do it? But I understand that it's not like that. Yeah.
Eduardo: Yeah. It's you, you got it perfectly. It's, it's, uh, I mean, the best way I could have answered your question is just beginning to say it's experiential answer.
Experiential answer. It's not something I can explain you because it contradicts the very [00:57:00] principle of phenomenology, which is the basis of it. I mean, one of our, uh, principles is not, not explain show, but the showing has to be in practice, you know?
Eva: Yeah.
Eduardo: And that's why I gave the example now, because how I saw you, because it was an ex.
Example, practical example. And you, Eva as well. Yeah. I mean, the way I, we, I was holding you in your story that we could, I mean, we don't have much time to look at it now, but mm-hmm. I mean, how to see, uh, the inner conflicts that you were in and to be able to make you reconcile with a part of you that you did, you are not aware of, right?
Eva: Yes. Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Eduardo: Um, how can I see that it's not through a theory article lens of like, uh, what kinds of psychological disorder people have, and then I will fit you on that. That's the, that's the, all that's cartesianism applied to psychotherapy. Mm-hmm. And psychiatry. No, we [00:58:00] don't have a theory that explains a phenomenon.
Another principle is no theory explains a phenomenon. Each phenomenon creates its own theory. So our task is to see more and see more, and see more, and see more. There's always more to see in a phenomenon. Mm-hmm. You know, if, and that's why we have to heal our inner child because that's the part of us that brings curiosity.
We have to be curious, deeply curious to anything that we are seeing deeply present, deeply curious. Then we can see more and see more until we become skilled in seeing beyond what is visible. That 'cause curious,
Kyley: because curious is open, right? To go back to barriers, to love, right. Curious is inherently open energy.
It doesn't have an answer, right. It's not, it's not, um, uh, yeah, it's, it's open. And so what we have to be open to drop those barriers to [00:59:00] love and so I feel like curiosity. Curiosity is like this willingness to see, as opposed to the part of us who was very exacting. And it's like, I have to solve this problem.
I have to fix this thing. I have to know the answer. Our adult self, right? Who's just like, I gotta check this off the list. But the, the, the curiosity is there's like a playfulness and there's an openness to it, and it doesn't need to be controlled or controlling. It can just get bigger and bigger and bigger.
Yeah. So I just, I love what you just said about curiosity. Mm-hmm. Because it feels, I mean, I think about curiosity a lot. My mentor who passed away a couple years ago, curiosity was a big cornerstone for him as well. His name was Will Wise, um, but he, but I never specifically connected curiosity to dropping barriers to love before.
So thanks for Yeah. Connecting those two pieces here for me. Yeah. Because
Eduardo: when you find curiosity for yourself, because if you love yourself, [01:00:00] you'll be curious for yourself.
Kyley: Whatever your
Eduardo: love you are curious about, that's a style. What? Mm.
Kyley: And curiosity, I think inherently invites in the possibility of love.
Right? Like I had a big aha come in for me in my, uh, this past week, and it all came because the prayer that I put forward was, I'm willing to see this. I'd basically been procrastinating and dragging my feet on sharing a facet of my work for months and months. And I was just like, couldn't, couldn't wriggle my way out from underneath it.
And, um, and I just said, I'm willing to see this clearly. Mm-hmm. And what came in was so much love, right? What came in in the answer was just like, so much love and compassion for myself. Um, and that there had been a barrier that I'd been trying to solve by being like, I just have to love myself enough to then get out from under this procrastination.
But instead when I just said, I'm just willing to see this clearly. [01:01:00] It's like the resistance just melted away. And um, basically like I didn't have to make myself love myself. I just said I'm willing. And then it just showed up.
Eva: Mm-hmm. 'cause the
Eduardo: love flows flow. Love is not an effort. Love is a flowing.
Eva: Mm-hmm. And
Eduardo: that's why I say my beloved evil side because our shadows are always putting barriers for us to flow, but if we deny them
Eva: mm-hmm
Eduardo: We get trapped by them. So the way out is the way in. There is no way out.
Kyley: No. I should share one of my favorite phrases is Love your monsters. And so I just appreciate that you have my beloved evil side and I talk a lot about love your monsters.
I feel I appreciate, 'cause people talk about like. Um, you know, shadow work is like a phrase people love to talk about or love your shadow, but I, I just like turning the heat on that up. And so I really love my beloved evil [01:02:00] side in the same way that I love, like, love your monsters. It's like, yeah. The flavor.
It's like, oh. It's like, it's not just like, oh, that's my, like, you know, messy self. My, my cute little shadow. Cute. Yeah. It's like, no, like the, like the monstrous terrible evil parts of you. Like you gotta fucking love them. Yeah. So I'm a fan of my beloved evil side. Aw,
Eva: woohoo. Okay. You do, we're running out of time and this is so good and maybe you'll have to come back again because I feel like there's so many other things we could talk about.
Um, I would actually love to have you come on more, talk about plant, you know, facilitation and, and all of that for plant ceremonies. But before we share our joy, can you tell people how they can find you, how they can work with you, if there's anything you want to promote. Oh,
Eduardo: uh, I have a website mostly in Portuguese, ed auer.com.
I can send you the link. Yeah, we'll,
Eva: we'll link the, everything in the show notes.
Eduardo: Yeah. And there in English for now, we have the, I will put the manifesto now. Uh, so you can [01:03:00] see the manifesto, walkers of Love. I think that's the translation. Let's see. And I just put the book, my Beloved Evil side and if there is enough people signing the manifesto and or, uh, coming for the book in English.
Then I can be in contact to offer something else. You know, uh, that we can go in depth, you know, that, that the other way, uh, a direct connection with me. I also offered this diagnosis of, so I, I offer deep reading. It's, uh, two encounters, uh, with a questionnaire and two encounters. That is very, I go deep on your story and I help you understanding yourself.
This is very good for people who already are either in leadership or therapist or in the self-knowledge path to have an, an addition, you know, some insights to help you find, give your, um, evolution leap. That's what I say. I'm looking for people who are wanting to go beyond what they can imagine. That's what I [01:04:00] give this diagnosis to, to give you a, a, a vision of your structure, what they can, what and how you can unleash.
Some patterns in you so you can give this evolutionary leap in your life. That's it.
Kyley: Okay. Well, I think I'm gonna be booking one of those because my womb just started. How, like, I literally felt like all of this, like, um, I just felt a lot of somatic response. So I think I have some womb healing that we'll do.
Surprise, surprise. I'll book one of those later. Woohoo. Oh
Eva: my God,
Kyley: I
Eva: would
Kyley: love that. I just love the I do, I am so in awe of the wisdom of the body. That was just a really interesting, like, oh, okay. All right. Hi Bo. Yeah.
Eduardo: Yeah. And we, we look at, we look integrated to the physical, emotional, mental, energetic, and spiritual body.
So it's di diagnosis of these five bodies. Connected to your life story, your life, family story, your life mission, and what you have to unleash in these bodies so that you can, so when you have physical issues, we also can understand [01:05:00] spiritually and psychologically and mentally where they come from and, uh, what needs to be unlocked for you to let go and manifest love in your life.
That's it. I love doing this. I mean, I really love to see like people like can see you like
Kyley: light up when you talk about it. Mm-hmm.
Eduardo: Yeah. It's just, yeah. And it's so great that now I'm, I'm so happy that I, oh, it's not time of the joy it's thinking, right. Saying Oh, yeah.
Eva: We can, we can jump into joy. Yeah. Go ahead.
Is there something you wanna share? I,
Eduardo: no, I'm so happy that, you know, uh, I, I've just been a few months that I put my face back on in the Instagram, uh, that I'm coming back to public again. It's my first opportunity to speak. Uh, out of Brazil and we, I mean, this conversation was so nice. I, I really loved, you can call me anytime you want.
Uh, it would be a pleasure. And I really am eager to know the people who are, who, who are following you. You know, the people who are, I, I mean, I really loved the, what I could see from your podcast, you know, the things, the people, I mean, [01:06:00] I love people and I would love to see who are the people who are listening to this and, you know, to give, to be of support to them.
It would be a great joy for me.
Eva: Aw, yeah. So if you're interested in working with Ew, I mean, you could literally just email him and message you and I'm sure he wish, feel, pleasure and speaking with you. But, um, and also if people just have questions about working with you, with plant medicine, you guys can just come and ask me and I'm happy to, you know, share my experience.
Um, in case you're curious. Yeah. In addition
Kyley: to, is that, is that your joy about the reemergence or do you have additional joy you want to share? In our round of joy.
Eduardo: Uh, uh, well, the joy that I felt here was now, but I'm very happy now that I'm manifesting this walk and, you know, and this manifesto in English also.
I mean, it's not a movement for Brazil only, it's for the whole world. I want to call anybody in the world to come walk with us, or even to make walk in their own countries and our places [01:07:00] together with us. We can be connected online and people doing walking for love. You know, whoever feels in your heart that you want to be brave, to stand up for love, raise the flag of love, just come sign our manifesto and we'll be together Walking for Love with love in love, uh, for the sake of our evolution and our own happiness.
It would be great. So cute. Woo.
Eva: All right. Kay, what about you? What's something that's bringing you joy?
Kyley: Oh, I made some really fun art last night. Mm-hmm. Which was really great. So I love Joan of Arc. Um, and I got a print, like a, there's a famous painting of her and I got a print of it months ago and I, and I knew what I wanted to do with it, but it's all, it took me a while to get all the pieces together.
I got gold paint and I got some stencils. And the, her famous quote is, I am not afraid. I was born for this. Mm-hmm. And so last night I took the print and then I took [01:08:00] my gold shiny gold paint and my stencils and I have stencil, um, and big block letters. I was born for this.
Eva: Mm-hmm.
Kyley: And put it in a frame and it just felt so.
Fun. Like I was helping my son flip pancakes while I was like trying not to get gold paint on shit. And um, it came out, turns out stenciling ours, they all got kind of sloppy. It just was very fun. It felt really great just to make something I feel really connected to the spirit of Joan of Arc and, um, in this particular moment it feels very, very, I feel like I got Harriet Tubman on one side and Joan of Arc on the other, and they're like, okay, let's fucking go.
Ooh. Harriet Tubman would not have said the F word. That's, I feel pretty confident on that. I just felt her be like, correction, but um, I
Eduardo: didn't know this thing. I want to use it. I'm gonna use the same. Yes,
Kyley: Deb, I'm not afraid. I was born for this. Um, and I, 'cause I couldn't fit it all. That was a fun moment.
It was like I couldn't fit it all and it was like, well I was born for this. It [01:09:00] was. An earlier, an ear, an earlier me really would've needed to know that I wasn't afraid. And this me was like, oh no, I was born for this is like, that's the thing that, that's the thing that matters most. I don't know. That was an interesting little, little moment.
So anyway, that was really fun. I made my art and I'm looking at her right now. She's beautiful. I just posted her on Instagram. If anyone wants to go see, go check her out. I wanna see, I wanna see. Yeah.
Eva: Yeah. But also it's so healing to be able to make things for the joy of making it without caring about how perfect it is and how good it is.
It's like, yes, creation is so good for the soul
Kyley: art, visual art is really fun for me because I have no illusions of being good at it. Mm-hmm. And so it's, so as someone who's really often expects herself to excel at everything. Mm-hmm. Um, it is really fun to make art because I just don't, I just really don't give a shit about being it being good.
Good. Yeah. Um, and so I have a lot more fun with it. And I sent a picture. I have a client. Her name's Tilly Tret. She's an amazing fine artist. Like really incredible fine artist. And I was like, Tilly, look [01:10:00] what I made. Like sweet, goofy little art. So yeah, everyone go make some stuff that'll bring you joy.
Yeah, it'll bring you joy.
Eva: And how about you? My love. What's bringing you joy? Um, so for me, something that's bringing me joy is surprisingly being back in America, which I say's a surprise because America's very, we're complicated right now. Messy right now. There's a lot going on. But I've been on my year lease, stent of travel and I'm landed here in America for a few weeks and I, I remember that I, it's so messy here and there's a lot of fucked up shit.
But I still love it. I do, I really still do. Love it. Maybe it's like when I ignore all the stories about politics and the finances, I think I just love like the, just I love the silly things. I love going to the supermarket and getting like the olives that I like. They're like, oh, these really good olives.
Or like the specific kind of hummus that I like and my kombucha, like things that I feel like are just home for me. And I was hanging out in like Venice last week and I was like, California, Los Angeles specifically [01:11:00] has a vibe. Like it's a vibe and it's cool. It's like a cool casual vibe and everything's, and it's just, it's home.
So despite all the things I that I don't like about America, I also realize that I do love a lot of things about America.
Kyley: So that's bringing me joy. You know, that's something that I actually has become really clear to me over the past couple of months. You know, I have lived in America my whole life and um, as did you know, my parents and grandparents and I.
Um, it was, I think it's easy to romanticize like other places, right? Mm-hmm. I was like, what if I lived in France? What if I lived in and over the past couple of months it, I have had this really, really like almost anger filled love that's like, fuck all of you. This is my home. Like, I have felt so strongly how much a just like, recognizing and just being cognizant of how American I am, I just know that about myself.
Mm-hmm. Like I love going other places and they also just remind me of like, [01:12:00] what a goofy American I am. Um, and also like, I don't know, there's just this like. I have, I've never felt so much like, I love this place. So you jerks. Don't get to ruin it because I'm love. Well, I think that's why people get
Eva: so upset.
It's because it's actually pride in something that's getting ruined. Yeah. Through really. Yeah. Yeah. So there's that. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. My loves, this was so great for me. Thank you so much. I do. You are just a ball of love shining in the world and it's really cool, honestly to see a man doing that. Mm. Can I say that?
Like to share that also? Yeah. You know that I do that. That's very, it's unique and special I think.
Eduardo: Yeah, well, the, the, I can say that I've been, my whole life dedicated to empowering women in politics and now in spiritual life. I really raise a flag for women because you have done such a wonderful work from the [01:13:00] evolution to feminism to include the resurrection of the feminine in force without having to masculinize those, all these movements that women are doing over the last decades.
Decades. That's, I mean, the current greatest inspiration that I have,
Eva: you know, that's what, yes, but we need men like you to help more men.
Eduardo: I know that, and I'm doing it, but what I'm saying is that the source for me to do this and to understand the why men need to do this are the work that women are doing, and we have to do our part as well.
Yes. That's what I'm, yes, and so thank you. Thank you for the inspiration for me.
Eva: We love, I love you both. Bye.